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RJ
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posted 09 June 2005 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RJ   Click Here to Email RJ     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hi Everyone -

Gabbysdad - I am sorry to hear about the liver counts being up but glad to know that you discovered them! What I am most happy to read about is that you have not had a migraine since April. I will certainly be having a toast to that the next time I have a beer in hand!

Shannon - you made me laugh when I read how you whispered back your response to the question of "Do you have an eating disorder?". I am at my normal weight. I am conscious to eat, in order not to drop my nutrients or lose any more hair - but when I can't I hate how people pick on it and when I read what you had to say - I just had to giggle. - Love it. You go!

Auntchel - Thanks so much for the post! I went there. Great site too by the way. You rock for thinking of giving us that.

So - something bittersweet hit me when I read Rics (Gabbysdad's) post. So many people come and go here. I noticed that without being conscious of it, I really truly wonder how many are that haven't been around so much lately. Funny how we don't even have a face with the name, yet can build a relationship here and empathize with a persons challenge, understand a part of their life that many can't, laugh a little, and wish the best for them sincerely. So - if anyone has spoken with Princessdinkidi, Marlene, Goju or any of the others.... pass along healthy wishes from my end. Then I started thinking how awesome it is that someone took the time to form this site for us. -Have learned so much here.......Thank you to whoever that is - From me.

RJ

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auntchel
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posted 09 June 2005 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for auntchel   Click Here to Email auntchel     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Ditto from me, RJ. You summed it up very well. I've thought about it, too, how I look forward to reading to see if anyone has replied to something I posted, etc. This site and all of you on it have been such a comfort to me! And yes, thanks to those who supplied and monitor the site!

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just_plain_sleepy
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posted 10 June 2005 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for just_plain_sleepy   Click Here to Email just_plain_sleepy     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
RJ -

Well said, I couldn't agree with you more. I cannot count the number of times I have come to this site for understanding, good information, to vent or to make sure that I'm not going crazy! We are all going through something that so many others have no clue as to what it's like. I wouldn't wish migraines on anyone...wellll, maybe a chosen few - KIDDING! My boyfriend is completely understanding, for the most part, even though he has NEVER had a headache in his life - UNBELIEVABLE! But there are times when even he insinuates that I have some sort of control over my migraines. We always get past it, but it really bothers me- I wish I had control!! I know he is usually just frustrated because I have become isolated and want to be left alone until I fell somewhat "normal". So when that happens I know where to turn! It's nice to know that we all have a place to come where people are going through the same things, having similar experiences and who will understand.

Thanks to everyone for all of the continued information and support. I'm not sure what I would have done without this site, especially when I started on Topa. The SEs freaked me out! I'm so glad that stumbled upon it!

I occassionaly receive an e-mail from Goju, which I truly enjoy. I feel like I know some of you even though we've never "officially" met - RJ, Gabbysdad, Chappy, Goju, etc. You were the ones around for me in the beginning and you will never know how much you helped and continue to help. If I haven't said it before... THANK YOU! And thanks to everyone else who contributes and shares on this board too.

Sleepy

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FREAK
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posted 10 June 2005 02:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I JUST CAME FROM THE DOC,AND HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED AS BIPOLAR,IWAS PRESCRIBED EFFEXOR AND TOPAMAX AS A MOOD STABILIZER.I TAKE MY FIRST DOSE TONIGHT.I HOPE ALL GOES WELL,I'LL KEEP YOU POSTED

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Shannon
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posted 10 June 2005 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shannon     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I must agree with the above posts about how much it means having the people on this board for advice and sympathy. When I first went on Topamax I had so many questions. I stumbled on this board and I read every post and it was so helpful.

The most knowlegeable doctor cannot help you as much as the person who has been through it and can tell you what it is like. I would have felt so isolated and wondered if what I was going through was normal if I hadn't heard it from the rest of you. I swear, most of the weird stuff is not listed in the prescribing information and wasn't mentioned by my doctor! Buy you guys knew about it and that made me feel better. So thanks to WHA and everyone who posts. I could not have gone through the last few months without you all.

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RJ
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posted 10 June 2005 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RJ   Click Here to Email RJ     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
You guys - The more I read here, the better my day is getting - including this horrible headache that came on yesterday (ick). I hope that when WHA has their conference.... their next one, whenever that may be, they print these posts and use them, to discuss what kind of difference they have made in our lives - by hosting the board for us. It is not just a "negative nelly" board where people get caught up and drown themselves in a pity party. We are pretty strong and real here. Pretty down to earth and supportive - smart (even though the Topa can make us think we are losing our marbles ) and witty, I'd say. You guys have taught me a bunch, and give me a lot of hope when I don't feel so good. Sometimes I don't post - just come to read. Shannon - you couldn't have said it better. There isn't a Dr. or insert in those prescriptions that can understand or describe the way a person is going to feel, but when you come to these posts and start reading....you come to feel "normal" in some of the most unexplainable, and scariest moments. Thankful and grateful for certain for all of you and your posts I am...

Now - on a separate note...a concerned note:

Freak - I'd go back a few pages, print the post from Italiondad and take it to your M.D. before using Topamax as a mood stabalizer and do your research. Certainly do let us know how it goes.

Sincerely,
RJ

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*World Headache Alliance*
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posted 11 June 2005 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for *World Headache Alliance*   Click Here to Email *World Headache Alliance*     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
RJ - thank you for your feedback. WHA is run by an executive committee made up of doctors and primarily member organization committee members and there are some who don't realize the impact this website has on the lives of so many headache sufferers. Your thoughtful words will be included in our upcoming website report, along with a handful of the other "kudos" posted, to help them better understand the value of this site.

We're always eager to hear negative feedback as well. Is there anything we can do to improve the website (not just the discussion board)? We're always interested in hearing from our visitors.

Thanks again.
-WHA

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Joy
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posted 11 June 2005 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joy   Click Here to Email Joy     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Well, this is the first time I've ever posted to a chat/discussion board on the internet....Wow! I decided to go look up up TOPAMAX today as I was thinking of going off it as I've been feeling a bit wierd lately since I've been on it and wanted to see if my symtoms were from the drug. My taste buds were definitely off, my eyesight was blurrier, I've been a bit more on edge, and I've been having some blank spots in the memory department. It's been quite noticable at work and thought I was having a quick run-in with dementia!

I have had migraines since I've been a teenager and have taken whatever drug was offered at the time but have become addicterd to Excedrin Migraine the past, I guess, taking it at least 2 times a day to ward off the rebound headaches it causes and when a migrane takes hold I take RELPAX. I've beren so sick of the routine, my new doctor put me on TOPAMAX and I started on the 3 week build-up program with 25mg regime until I reached 100mg. which I'vew been on for a month when the ugly symptoms appeared. I've always been very sensitive to any drugs and always needed smaller doses than anyone else to get results and really don't like taking any drugs. I was willing to push through though when the doctor told the side affect was WEIGHT LOSS! YIPPPPEEEE! I thought I could endure anything for that! Have 't lost even 1 pound! UGH! Forget it! Do I have to wean myself off this? Or can I just stop it. I have to wait two days before I can call my doctor. Ad I run out of the pills TODAY!


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Shannon
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posted 12 June 2005 01:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shannon     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Joy,
Probably the most important question is, has the Topomax helped reduce the number of headaches you get?

The side effects seem to vary greatly person to person both in intensity and duration, and it just boils down to--is it worth it to you? Does it help, or do you think it might help if you up the dosage? For some, it's not worth it and they go off, for others, the bad stuff is worth it if it helps reduce the number of days in bed with migraines.

But you have to call your doc about going off cold turkey or not. That's what answering services are for! They can take calls like that. You shouldn't have to wait two days to ask a simple question if you need to know. Good luck with your decision.

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FREAK
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posted 12 June 2005 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FREAK     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
well the first night on the topomax was an experiance i got the tingling in the legs and i still feel like i have the foggy head,but unlike most other people i keeps me awake i took it at 8:30/9:00pm and did not fall asleep untill 6:00am. tomarrow is monday and it's back to work i hope every thing goes well me for and i'm not walking around like an idiot. i must go get frustrated seems like my mind is not working as quick as usual

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Just Swell
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posted 12 June 2005 07:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hi, folks: ).

I just started taking Topamax two weeks ago. I'm at 50 mg, and haven't had any side effects that I'm aware of (though I'd love the anorectic one <lol> ). I wonder, though, if anyone has experienced swelling or edema with this drug?

I'm 40 years old, healthy, pretty thin (starting to sound like a personal ad <lol> ). Just saying this so you'll know that I'm not demographically prone to edema...but during the past 48 hours or so, my pants no longer button, and my wedding ring is squeezing my finger off!! I've had that ring on every day for 16 years, and this has never happened before, so I wondered if maybe it's a side effect? I did read that tingling in the fingers can happen, so maybe fluid in the fingers can happen as well? Anyone? Not to give TMI, but I am also just now finishing my first menses on Topamax, so does that have something to do with it? It's seriously freaking me out.

No headaches for two weeks, which is great, bu it might not be worth it, if this is the cost <sigh>.

Thanks so much for any insight.
Just Swell

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LP
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posted 14 June 2005 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LP     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hi Just Swell, you might want to talk with your doctor to make sure you are not having a kidney problem. One function of the kidneys is to get rid of excess fluid. I know topomax can cause kidney stones. You might have something going on in that area. Hope you feel better soon. Lydia

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Polly
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posted 18 June 2005 09:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hi,
I have taken topomax for a long time. I have been on several of these drugs and believe me so foar this was the best. One I gained 40 lbs. in 28 days. I took topomax and lost it all in 30 days. The bad thing is it makes my hair fall out. Now those of you who try these things if you will just stick with it for 3 weeks and see if the side effects wear off I found that they usually did. Here is my issue. I got off of it because I was losing so much hair but it was awesome medicine. I tried a whole lot of other kinds and over the last two years I have gained the 40 lbs. back. I have depression and migraines so I have to be on something,I think. All the other medicines made me so comfortable I really didn't care about anything. I had no idea I was even fat. I couldn't figure out why my clothes wouldn't fit. I started getting seizure type migraines so I called my doctor. Because I had been so ill with sinus headaches I was in bed for days and just quit taking the medicine. (Paxil, I was taking just for depression and anxiety so I was still having migraines.) I didn't want any more migraines and suddenly realized I was kind-a fat so I called my regular dr. and asked if she would refill an old prescription I had been on previously and she did. She won't give me these kinds because they are psychiactric and she wants me to see a specialist. But she made an exception. So I am back on them and i am wired for 220 let me tell you. See, before my Psy.dr gave me like lexapro of something to level it out and I am just plain-o mean and I was wondering if anyone else was like this too. My hair is coming out in clumps and I am still having bouts of depression come through in almost a hopelessness type feeling. I have to get off of this and I want to know is there anything out there better that will work for all my freakiness? After I started working out I realized I am major super fat. I have worked out and watched what I eat for 6 weeks and haven't lost a pound. Something is so wrong. These drugs have totally messed up my life. I thought they were supposed to maked life better. Life is hard! You can't go through it just ignoring it with a big fat smile on your face and that is how America is becoming. Just take your people and you won't see how things really are. It's sad. I want to be the best I can not be 80 yrs old looking back and not even remember my life cuz I was all doped up.
Please help. I get so depressed coming off of these. Suicidal even. Thanks

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Polly
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posted 18 June 2005 09:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
After reading these I just don't get it why I can't lose this weight. I walk 3 to 5 miles every day and watch everything I eat. I haven't had something yummy in 6 weeks. What is wrong with me?

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RJ
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posted 24 June 2005 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RJ   Click Here to Email RJ     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hi Polly-

Welcome. Sounds like you are going through alot. Even though you might not feel it right now, but you are actually very strong to have endured all of that! I think its remarkable that you wrote back and know that you want to get on a path that is clear and won't leave life in a cloud due to being strapped down by drug "trial and error". Too many people get caught in the hear and now and don't even think about that. That is awesome.

I couldn't tell from the post if when you called your old Dr. it was for the refill of Topamax or just another type of refill? In regards to the hair loss - if it is because of the Topa, I was just going to mention that it did get better for me and level out. One thing that I noticed is much of it is due not to the medicine itself, but actually to the lack of nutrition. I have actually durastically slowed my hair loss by taking pre-natal vitamins and eatiing protiens and Calcium. I also take potassium and chondritan. My nuero warned me that the misperception is that it is the drug causing the loss of hair, but is usually a result of not eating - which is instigated by the drug. I picked up my pre-natals at Sam's club. (I'm not pregnant but take them becuase they are high in Folic Acid.)

Let us know how you are doing..... I hope better.

Take Care,
RJ

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LP
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posted 26 June 2005 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LP     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I am looking for some advice. I was on Topomax for 2 weeks in May and decided I didn't like the SE. I had no relief from daily headaches but had only just worked up to 50 MG. My doctor was frustrated with me and said it was the only thing to stop my headaches. I am now on Zanaflex (along with amitryptiline) and am better but still have had many little headaches and 2 episodes of horrible 3 day headaches in one month. I am afraid to take my Imitrex or over the counter meds since he said I also have rebound headaches. If this is all the better I'm going to be, I might try the topomax again. I have still kept up with your postings and think many of you have good advice from your experiences. Was the 2 weeks enough on the topomax, or did I give up prematurely? Any ideas would be great. I go back to the neurologist in a week. Thanks, Lydia

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melissamarie
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posted 26 June 2005 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for melissamarie   Click Here to Email melissamarie     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
For good or bad, I'm off the topamax. I slowly went up the dose over 4 weeks to 100mgs daily. There were side affects that I could deal with and would have tolerated. You know, the stupidmax ones. forgetting words you know. it was like playing charades with people. Getting half way through a sentence and ... oh no, where did it go. Of course there is the famous side effect of carbonated soda's. Don't you love that one. Yuck!!! I don't think I will ever be able to put them in my mouth again. I've begun to really love wateer though. You have to drink lots and lots of water because the topo doesn't process through your Kidneys well and stones are a huge problem for many, many people, even if your not prone to get them. I did get some weight loss. I lost about 12lbs in a month which was fine. I thought that the drug owed it to me, after all, over the last three years it was the drugs that gave me the additional 55 lbs. Anyways, the one side affect that was too difficult was the rage. The out of no where, in your face rage. There was no space for patience, or understanding or concern for it... it was rage and my poor hunny.. I really didn't want to get off the topamax and did a lot of research and spoke with other doctors and pharmacist and unfortunately the end was the end. The drug was initially intented for seizure patients which is why it targets the frontal lobe in the brain. The drug in essence is a chemical lobotomy. Fine for me, as long as it worked. The problem is, that the major side affect, rage, occurred for me at such a small dosage before i could get to a sufficient therapeutic dose to maintain pain balance with the other medications. There was no other medication to give to counteract the rage. As I was still at a low dose I was able to just stop. If I was over 150mgs a day it would have been a week taper. Its been 3 days and there is still some of the medication floating around me. I just touched my tongue to a mountain dew and eugh. Either its still the drug, or the brain has been reprogramed, which is FINE with me. A lot of calories in sodas. But seriously, the boutful rage episodes are not as frequent, but they are still there. They just want to see how I am after I'm off the drug for a few weeks and if there are any after math problems!!!! Scott is insistant that he attend my next appointment and feels terribly left out, which I can't blame him. After all, he is the one who has to deal with the affects of what ever medications I'm given, so he should be able to attend the appointments. They plan to start me on a trial of Lamictal, which they said does the same thing but is weight neutral. I haven't done the research on that one yet, so if anyone has any inside info on that, i would appreciate it. You can use my personal e-mail so I can get to it quicker. I'd appreciate it.
I'll still pop in and see how everyone is doing.
Thanks
Melissa

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RJ
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posted 28 June 2005 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RJ   Click Here to Email RJ     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
LP -

In regards to your post, I was sad to hear that your doctor was frustrated with you. I know doctors are human too, but they should show concern not frustration. Sometimes they forget about compassion I think ( shall we put some of the blame on the insurance companies and their demand to turn over "X" amount of patients in a day??). You have enough of your own frustration to carry around. Can you find a supportive MD? Did your MD specifically tell you they were frustrated or is there a possibility that you read him or her wrong? If not then, my opinion would be this is not very professional or hopeful for you. I recommend getting a second oppinion for your case then. You don't need to feel the guilt of someone else's frustration. MD's have other people than their patients to turn to with their frustrations, especially when they know their patients are frustrated with their own health. Like I said, they are human, but there is also a bedside manner to be had and a commitment of care. Don't feel guilty about finding yourself a new Nuero - and let the next one know why you did too. That way they will take their time with you and also take you seriously...not making the same mistake. Anyway - it's your body - you have the right to get frustrated first and foremost.... the MD can spend their time and energy getting savvy on getting you well.

Hope you feel better,

RJ

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LP
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posted 28 June 2005 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LP     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
RJ, thanks for your insight. I have educated myself the past few weeks and have the feeling that the doctor was right. I just wasn't expecting his reaction. I want to stick with him a little longer. His bedside manner isn't always great but I think he is on the right track. Do you think 2 weeks was enough? I hear so many people saying the side effects got better after a month or so (except when increasing the dose). I still have another week to decide. This zanaflex makes me really tired so I'm not sure the topomax was that bad. Thanks for your support. Lydia

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chappy
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posted 29 June 2005 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chappy     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
hey guys I just wanted to pop in and ask if anyone has used atenolol for headaches the doc thought we should try it and so this is day 2 I am so tired but am coming off of 5 days of migraines so i will give it a try. Just wondering if anyone else had gone down the betablocker path and what se's you had and how it worked for you. thanks

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auntchel
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posted 29 June 2005 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for auntchel   Click Here to Email auntchel     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hey, Polly.
How are you doing now? I didn't lose any weight at all on the topa, either. Bummer. Had all the other side effects, though.

Hey,LP- I would think that 2 weeks is not long enough, simply b/c it takes longer than that to even get to the therapeutic level (usually at least 100mg or more)

Hey, Chappy! I haven't tried that med, but the dr. told me that beta blockers would be the next step for me if I chose to continue (have been off the topa for about 4-5 weeks now) However, I really believe my migraines are hormonal, so I'm looking into some other types of treatments right now.

Hey to everyone else!

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RJ
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posted 01 July 2005 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RJ   Click Here to Email RJ     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hey Guys-

I am going through a persistant one this time and it's not giving. Day 5. I am dosed out on the triptans - can't take anymore Zomig - and my nuero had me laying in the office with a shot of Demurol and Visterol. That would be Wednesday ...... - which worked to relieve the pain of my muscles (from attempting to wrap my head in my shoulders like a turbin to protect it)but not my headache. I am really frustrated and getting sad. I thought this morning I was headache free and now I am sitting here with this frustrating throb, the spins and nausea again. My nuero is off today but asked me to go to the emergency room if I had it still today. #1. My boss is not understanding of my incapacities. #2. That just seems so dramatic to me and by the way - I feel like a hypochondriac. How embarrassing. I just got done telling my S.O. that I didn't have a headache this morning - I swear it didn't feel like I had one while I was laying in bed. Now - I feel like I am going to RALPH again....... Nice. I hope the "Take-your-pain-away-fairy" comes along and knocks out the "migrain-monster" because I am also just a little crabby about this!

Sorry.... I had to vent.

Now - I hope the rest of you are feeling the extreme opposite of me and doing well.

RJ

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auntchel
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posted 04 July 2005 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for auntchel   Click Here to Email auntchel     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
RJ-
So sorry to hear about your plight...esp. the boss's lack of understanding. Too many people don't understand how debilitating migraines are, it's NOT "Just a headaache" !
Unfortunately I'm sure too many of us have had similar experiences at work and with significant others, as well. Hope you get better soon! We're all rooting for you

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auntchel
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posted 04 July 2005 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for auntchel   Click Here to Email auntchel     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Chappy, just wondering, how is the new med?

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mgwise
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posted 06 July 2005 10:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I have been reading alot of post on this message board to help me make a decision. I have to take Paxil for anxiety attacks and klonopin for panic attacks. I have gained nearly 50 pounds and my Dr. wants me to take
Topamax to see if it will help to take some of the weight off. I have read about all the
side effects and what some of you have experienced and to be honest with you it scares me. I have prayed about what to do for God to make the decision clear to me and I have got so many mixed feelings. Does anyone have any suggestions?

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