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notanat
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posted 10 March 2005 04:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Its quarter to three in the after noon and I really need a nap!! if I wasnt hard at work right now.....
I do have a doctors appt tommarow with my primary care. (Ive had an upper respiratory infection for 5weeks now and thats not helping my whole topamax transition!) and then a follow up with my neuro next week, so hopefully between the two of them they can figure out the freakish 830 am face pain. it only lasted 3 hours today! improvement.
Im a little pissed though. I keep hearing about this weight loss side effect, but do I get that one? no way! I have to say, my appetite has decreased, but unfortunately, the stuff I Do still want to eat, is the stuff that I really shouldnt be eating. Oh well. Its been exactly two weeks now (man it feels like SO much longer than that!!!!)
Did some one say Midrin? Im on that on too.
It was actually one of the first drugs they put me on when I first started getting the headaches o-so-many years ago. Ive cycled through a few, including imetrex. now Im back to midrin. this is my first try with the preventitive treatment.I was getting them 3-4 days a week.
only one headache so far
but living in a fog...we'll see

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gojumo
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posted 10 March 2005 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gojumo   Click Here to Email gojumo     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
notanat,
It's me that is on Midrin; I get tired of the sleepy effect from it. Somewhere in the 3rd week (this last week) I noticed the topa not making me tired anymore. weird.
Does everyone have a Neurologist?????
I don't; just a primary.
Notanat, Have you noticed a big appetite change or just a little? I am ending week 3 and get pretty grossed out at the thought of eating. Kind of miss the comfort of food and soda. Goju

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Princessdinkydi
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posted 10 March 2005 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Princessdinkydi   Click Here to Email Princessdinkydi     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Notanat: Gojumo: Chappy: WELCOME.

Yes Topamax will mess with your head.
No you are not alone.
Yes you are in the right place.

It will get better with time...Stick with us, and hang in there, we'll see ya through.

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gojumo
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posted 11 March 2005 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gojumo   Click Here to Email gojumo     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
ok almost one am here. was just very asleep and dreaming and then all the sudden choking! long story short, acid reflux, which I don't have! topa? I can recognize burning acid when I feel it. I was finally a little hungary and ate late and fell asleep about 3 hours later. Didn't even eat that much or spicy. I was seriousy choking! I temporarily sound like a dude! My throat is so sore... After it subsided I grabbed a fudgecicle of my sons to ease the burn and of course it didn't taste like chocolate!!!! how 'bout I just chase that with an ice cold coke! hee hee. at least I still got some humor even if I'm still sittin' here coughin' and burnin'. Anyone have this or perhaps a fluke that just I got to enjoy? goju

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notanat
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posted 11 March 2005 09:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
ya, the midrin/topa combo can put you into a coma. as for the appetite, it seems to vary from day to day. sometimes its perfectly normal, and others its almost non existent. i am happy to say that i do not have any nausea (thank god for small favors). I read back to my first post again and I said that I had been taking it for three weeks when really it had only been a week and a half. no sense of time I guess. the dumb factor is increasing. Ive been up to 100 mg daily for just over a week now and my symptoms seem to be getting worse,not better. this worries me a little, but a guess I need to give it a little more time?

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Marlene227
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posted 11 March 2005 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marlene227   Click Here to Email Marlene227     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
When I think of you been on 100mgs already I think how can you handle it...WOW...it took me 10 months to get there.

All of you are really doing well. Yes, you are having some challenging times but you seem to be doing good though at handling everything.

And yes, tops can mess with you mentally. It has something to do with the cognitive part of your thinking. It intensifies everything a bit more and then turns everything around for awhile.

Just remember that it is only temporary and if it starts to get the best of you to come to the board and talk to someone about it.

Take care now!
Marlene

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MndyKaye
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posted 11 March 2005 05:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I'm so glad I found this discussion board. I have been on Topomax for migraines for a month now. I was doing great at 50mg then moved up to 75 this week and I feel completely crazy. I'm dizzy, I can't think, my vision is blurred. Trying to decide if I should go back down to 50 or stick it out. The only other side effect I have noticed is the lack of appetite which in my case is a good thing. Do the side effect pass?

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Princessdinkydi
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posted 11 March 2005 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Princessdinkydi   Click Here to Email Princessdinkydi     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
MndyKaye: Welcome!

Sorry to meet under these circumstances, but we are glad you're here.

JMHO You should call your Dr. dear. or call the nearest Hosp nurse's line.

Blurred vision this early on is something you want to run past a professional when you're on this drug.
It's something to be taken very seriously when you're titrating up.

Either way, you should be running this stuff past your doctor before dosing yourself....the other side effects will pass, and when you get up there in dosage the vision stuff for some of us comes and goes....but again you should be paying attention to it this early in the game.

Keep us posted!!!! And nope, you're not crazy!!!

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Princessdinkydi
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posted 11 March 2005 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Princessdinkydi   Click Here to Email Princessdinkydi     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
gojumo: Topamax can put you out like a light!
Someone should have told you that before you took your first pill

I know it's no laughing matter....but half of us felf like we were walking zombies throughout the day our first couple months.

What I expierenced, was as long as I was titrating up I was out cold at night.

Could the other Med you're taking add to the stomach acid? Good question for your doc.
I know for awhile I was taking quite a few diff. meds and I had to take TUMS......(which by the way do NOT taste the same at all either when you're on Topamax)

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Princessdinkydi
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posted 11 March 2005 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Princessdinkydi   Click Here to Email Princessdinkydi     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
notanat: By symptoms, what do you mean?

The symptoms that got you on Top to begin with, or the S/E's?

It took me 8 months to get to 400mgs.

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Marlene227
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posted 11 March 2005 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marlene227   Click Here to Email Marlene227     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hell-o Mindykay and welcome. You were at 50mg for a month and just went up another 25mg? That is not a bad schedule for dosing up. Some doc/neuro has their patients dosing up alot faster than that. My personal opinion is every 4-6 weeks is soon enough.

Princess did I read it right that you are on 400mg and you did it in 8 months? Now tell me did you or did you not have any cognitive problems with this? What about depression and mood swings? By chance did you get hyper or the normal fatigue set in? There are a few topa users who do get hyper which is hard to believe but it does happen.

I just remember everything turned dark for me. At least inside my house it seemed. Then I went through the cold spell where I was walking around with a blanket on me all the time. I kept the lights down low because the hurt my eyes. I kept the sound down on the TV. I couldn't handle being around too many people especially children. I would go crazy thinking they were drinving me crazy.

I survived it all. Gosh I think back on it all. It was really strange. The crying spells got to me though.

You will be okay!

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auntchel
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posted 11 March 2005 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for auntchel   Click Here to Email auntchel     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
gojumo- you asked earlier about dry eyes. I already had dry eyes, so I don't know if the topa made it worse or not, but I still have the sahara desert in my mouth-so dry! and my hands are really dry as well. The only thing it didn't dry up is my sinus drainage, which would be helpful!

Welcome to the newest comers! Hope this will be as helpful to you as it has been for me!

Also- I tried something different for the last two days and it seemed to work well for me, prob. want to run it by dr. before any of you try it- anyway- I'm up to 100mg a day, and have been so sluggish. So Wed. I didn't take the morning pill and took the full dose at night. So far it seems to work really well for me. Even my students at school mentioned that I seemed more alert Just thought I would pass that along.

RJ- what exactly are you wanting to do with your eggs? I'm not sure I understand. Just wondering.

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Marlene227
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posted 11 March 2005 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marlene227   Click Here to Email Marlene227     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
auntchel,

There are alot of people who take all their meds or a higher mg dosage of their at night. I have not tried it. I use to take 50mg in the am and 150mg in the pm though.

I think the ones who have to stick to a time schedule are just the seizure patients. I know they suggest it for migraine people too but usually it is what works best for patient.

I am afraid to take it all at night is why I haven't tried it. I am afraid I would get a migraine in the after noon. I guess it doesn't really make any difference since I get headpain at any hour of the day.

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auntchel
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posted 12 March 2005 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for auntchel   Click Here to Email auntchel     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Marlene.
gojumo, I meant to mention that I also have heartburn like every day now since I've been on the topa.

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gojumo
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posted 12 March 2005 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gojumo   Click Here to Email gojumo     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
hello everyone; I wouldn't mind maybe taking 25 in the morn and the other 75 and night so I can be more alert; should I ask my dr. first? Does this affect the appetite? Because by gosh if I gotta have cold hands, heart burn, thinning hair, dry eyes, dyslexia, and a fuzzy brain... I'm gonna look good in a bikini this summer!!!!! And this d o p a max is killin' my appetite along with my headaches and thats the only 2 positives! lol. So does switching the dosages around effect the appetite thing?

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Princessdinkydi
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posted 13 March 2005 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Princessdinkydi   Click Here to Email Princessdinkydi     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Marlene227:

Princess did I read it right that you are on 400mg and you did it in 8 months? Now tell me did you or did you not have any cognitive problems with this? What about depression and mood swings? By chance did you get hyper or the normal fatigue set in? There are a few topa users who do get hyper which is hard to believe but it does happen.

I just remember everything turned dark for me. At least inside my house it seemed. Then I went through the cold spell where I was walking around with a blanket on me all the time. I kept the lights down low because the hurt my eyes. I kept the sound down on the TV. I couldn't handle being around too many people especially children. I would go crazy thinking they were drinving me crazy.

I survived it all. Gosh I think back on it all. It was really strange. The crying spells got to me though.

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Hey Marlene.....

Yep, Originaly my Dr did not want to go as high as 400mgs. Now we are looking at adding another med instead of titrating up again. I would tell you the name of it if I had it perscribed yet....I'll give feedback when I can.

As far as the cognative problems, that was a symptom that I had BEFORE I started the Topamax.....sorry. I was exposed to sewer gas. Thus causing my migraines. My cognative thinking (or lack there of) was one of the indicators that something other than the smell was wrong in my office.

Depression I've been fighting throughout the entire past 8 months. As I think anyone who is cronically ill would be. With or without being on Topamax...but ESPECIALLY being on the med. My doctor wanted to put me on anti-depressants around Christmas, but that was enough for me to fight harder and keep myself out of the funk. I tell you though it is a hard thing to do....and even harder to realize when you are taking it out on the people you love around you. So a big old YES on the mood swings as well. Also for anyone wondering on letters switching around constantly...yep that too.


I still consider myself a "Vampire" because the shades are always drawn as I hiss at the sun....still. And yes everyone walks around my house in shorts as I am bundled in pants underclothes and a sweatshirt.....still. I can see it now I'll be wearing turtlenecks in the dead heat of summer.(I live in WI)

And yep soda still tastes like arse...keep trying......keep getting the rude reality that it hasn't changed


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Marlene227
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posted 13 March 2005 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marlene227   Click Here to Email Marlene227     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Princess,

It may take awhile for you. I was in the dark for a good 10 months. Then I think I was finally able to say I was doing my own thinking at 1 1/2. At 1 1/2 though I was at 300mg.
What I am saying is everyone is different and maybe like me you may needed to have gone at a slower dosage increase.
I'm at 400mg now. Don't know about going up anymore. I could maybe 200 more. Haven't decided.
Let me know what your doc adds to your menu.

Thanks!
Marlene

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chappy
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posted 13 March 2005 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chappy     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
hello I am back from my weekend away and so I started the 25 topa last night ans within 1 hour i had a numbness or tingling in my hands feet and part of my face freaked my husband out but prayerfully it will be ok also has anyone elso noticed vivid dreams I am not really a dreamer but I had some vivid dreams. How long till the tastes set in I am afraid to try my diet coke but I am craving one.. guess I will give it a try.
-Blessing

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gabbysdad
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posted 13 March 2005 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gabbysdad   Click Here to Email gabbysdad     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Buenos dias!
Back from my trip in Mexico, and welcome to all the new members.

Had some important news before I left, which may or may not be helpful. My primary doc read my results from the MRI that I had done on Superbowl Sunday, and was told that my brain looked entirely normal. However, the doctor did say that the MRI stated in the section titled "Impression" that there wasy "moderate to marked (heavy) imflammatory changes in the paranasal sinuses with possible mild acute imflammatory cahnges in the maxillary sinuses."

The doc thinks this may cause my headaches, so he has me on antibiotics for the next 30 days, and off of the topomax.

While in Mexico, the weather was warm (85 to 90) with no humidity, and my allergies were no problem, only 2 headaches on the end of my vacation (which incidentally occurred while we were in the most polluted cities of Puebla and Mexico City).

So we will see how it works out. Doc thinks that if the antibiotics work, I should have no headaches, but if I do, then I may need another MRI to see how the sinus thing has worked. Then I may need surgery or cleaning of the sinuses.

RJ - has the warm weather hit you yet?? We had sunny weather (albeit cold) in Michigan, but I welcomed the sun.

Ric

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notanat
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posted 14 March 2005 08:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Yes, cold in Michigan, always (it seems) cold in Michigan. I dont know if its the topa or the weather thats givin me the blues!! but the sunshine does help (just wish it wasnt quite so brite!)
By symptoms I mean s/e. and over the weekend I have to say they havent been so bad. I went to the dcotor, and I have a sinus infection, and am now on antibiotics and that has decreased the freakish mornining leftsided face pain by about 50% in the last three days (hooray!!) I also have bronchitis, and am taking a cough medicine with codeine-is it a miracle that I am concious and upright? Im thinking the combo of sedative effects are canceling each other out, because Im acually feeling quite peppy!
stay strong!

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Princessdinkydi
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posted 14 March 2005 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Princessdinkydi   Click Here to Email Princessdinkydi     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
notanat
That's why I asked.

The side effects with Topa you can expect to hang out with you for a good while. I have them still to some degree or another, but most people say that they are the worst when you are still titrating (upping the dosage)every week or so. I gather you are still at the begining stages? I am now at a rather high dosage, and can tell you that although it seems like you're loosing your mind....it will pass. For me not having the pain was worth it.

It sounds like you have a few other drug interatctions as well? That definately will add to things

Hang in there....and your humor will definately help your situation!!

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RJ
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posted 14 March 2005 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RJ   Click Here to Email RJ     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Goju -
Yes - Splitting the doses helped me out. Also...after reasearching is, it is the most effective way to keep the drug stabalized in your blood - to spread it in 12 or 8 hour increments - depending on dosage. I used to take it at night - all of it - and then: Out like a light. S/E's are definately better for me since the split dosage (approved by my doc). Everyone's different though - but it might work. By the way - hope no more icky night time experiences 4 u!

Welcome back Ric! Well - we did get a blast of spring last weekend - but we are on the extreme reverse this week... So it sounds like the headaches will be much easier to control if they are due to inflammation of the sinuses. I hope for your sake that this all works out for you!

Someone asked about vivid dreams...Yes! Actually when I first started taking topa - I used to see colors swirling around when I'd begin to drift off. Lately my dreams have been vivid. Which I am actually glad. For a while, I couldn't remember having any and wondered if I was even having REM. I'd be interested to know if anyone else experienced the colors or the dreams too?

Notanat - so glad to hear that you have gotten some releif. You were on the money with the sinus infection! (:

Princess and Marlene - Did you guys have to keep going in 25 or 50 mg when you were Titrating? Or did you finally get to just make the big jump?


Dear lord...had to edit. Do I always type like a five thumbed Sally? Thank you Topa.


Headache today. Ick. Goin home and goin to bed. Good for nothing right now.

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posted 14 March 2005 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gabbysdad   Click Here to Email gabbysdad     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Well, I have been on antibiotics for about 10 days, and I have had 3 headaches. Today being the worst one. So bad at work that I had to take a vicodin before I go home to take care of my kids. I hate taking the painkillers, but sometimes it is the only way to get rid of the headache enough to do some work when I get home.

I will call the doc and see what he thinks I should do. Maybe moving back to Acapulco is the idea!! The dry weather and clean air made my sinuses and allergies great, and no headaches ('cept those from the hangover!) One heck of a wedding I went to though.

Anyone noticed how more and more doctors are prescribing medicine to help out with life? My friend in Mexico could not believe how I have to take pills for allergies, chronic heartburn, sinus problems, and whatever else ails me.

I was talking to a friend at church this weekend who mentioned that I should try some herbal or natural remedies from the local health food store to see how they may help. I was also reading about how certain foods and such can cause headaches: http://managingmigraines.msn.com/article.aspx?aid=14>1=6136 which I hadn't known before. But I haven't changed my diet since the headaches started 7 months ago.

Oh well, I am going to cut out all caffiene and cut way back on sugars, as well as pre-processed foods that contain lots of MSG and other things that allow that crap to sit on the shelf for a year or more.

Ric

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posted 14 March 2005 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gojumo   Click Here to Email gojumo     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
hi guys, I just got caught up on the posts... spent a few minutes today reading the insert that comes with the Topa prescriptions. Most of it might as well have been written in another language, but I did see that it said at least 1% or more of the 1200 and some odd people tested had chest pains and asthma. That may explain my trouble breathing and the feeling of the small animal on my chest! I haven't had asthma since I was a child, but went to Vegas a couple of months ago and all the smoke in the Casino's set it off; well, that is the feeling I have since on Topa, plus this heavy feeling in my chest, not really a pain... anyone else? Did you know that in that one small part of that H U G E insert was the only time they mentioned hair loss? So since they say "over 1%", you never know if that means 1.5% or 82%... very frustrating...
my appetite is coming back much to my despair. Does this usually fluxuate?
Hey, good news! 4 weeks on Topa and no headaches in 3 and a half!!!!!!!!!! :0)goju

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posted 15 March 2005 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Princessdinkydi   Click Here to Email Princessdinkydi     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
>>>> Charlie Brown hitting head against wall>>>> Some days I am so tired of this!!!

These last few days I have been the , clumsiest, dizziest, worst spelling idiot on the face of the Earth!!!! GRRRR!
I am comming down with a head cold and it is making EVERYTHING 10x more exaggerated!

To give you an example: I was walking down the hall for parent's day at my son's school with another parent and almost knocked myself out COLD by running into the fire extinguisher.

---o.k. THanks for letting me get that off my chest. I know you guys can relate.

RJ to answer your question. Yes and NO. I tirated up by 25 until I hit 200mgs, then My Dr jumped by 100's from there. It seems frightening, but it really isn't. The jump from 200-300 for me wasn't really noticeable. I would have to say that all I could tell was that I was a little more tired than usual. 300-400 was more of the same....I think maybe by then your body is just so used to it?

Goju: My hair started to fall out at about 200mgs. But with the right vitamin supplements you can prevent this.....We posted this before if you care to look back at all. Also, The appetite thing for me worked like it is for you. Some weeks I was hungry, and some not at all......and I do mean not at all. This I noticed was again due to the increase in doseages. For me however I have been at a higher doseage now for awhile, and my appetite has not come back. This is the first time it has lasted this long since I started. Hope that helps?

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